Question:
Things to look for when test driving early 80's Diesel Mercedes?
NeedSomeInformation
2007-06-15 09:37:24 UTC
Anything special to look at or for when checking out the car? And when driving, what should I do and what should I feel for?
Five answers:
anywherebuttexas
2007-06-15 21:20:18 UTC
1) Slipping transmission, evident as a "flare" as you shift up through the gears. It's not unusual to get hard shifts, these are usually ok. But a soft shift indicates a worn out, very expensive transmission.



2) Remove the crankcase ventilation tube on the top of the valve cover. Start the car, put on a rubber glove, and hold your thumb firmly over the vent hole. If the engine stalls in less than 10 seconds, the rings are worn.



3) You need to plant your foot to get any performance out of the non-turbo cars. This is normal. If the transmission is downshifting correctly, then you'll get a good kick when the pedal is all the way to the floor.



4) Undo the main vacuum connection at the vacuum pump (requires a wrench). If you find any oil there, the pump is failing, run fast.



5) Make sure the central locking system works. If the doors, fuel flap, and trunk don't all close and open correctly, it means you have a vacuum leak. This usually isn't a big deal, but will require time and patience to locate. It can cause other seemingly unrelated symptoms:difficulty turning the motor off, very rough shifts, erratic braking. It can become expensive if the pump or a number of vacuum elements have failed.



6) Make sure the car is dead cold when you arrive to test it. It's always easy to start a warm Diesel. If there's any difficulty starting the car cold after one glow cycle, it's a good bet that either the injectors are bad or compression is low. The glow plug light should go out after a few seconds. If it remains on, or comes on after the car is running, there is a fault in the glow circuit.



7) Make sure all the windows work. The electric windows fail with age, figure at least $150 per if they do. Sunroof, ditto.



8) A little smoke on cold start up is normal. So is a puff of black smoke on hard accelleration. But if you have excessive smoke, it could be injectors or the timing chain, injection pump, or injectors.



9) Idle is often inconsistent on these cars. But if it's extremely rough, suspect the timing chain.



10) If you can lift the car, look at the suspension bushings and the flex disks on the driveshaft. The flex disks must be perfect: they can fail dramatically if they have cracks or go punky.



11) Climate control, as noted above. These early cars use R12 for the AC, unless converted. A fill of R12 is about $350.



12) Clicks and pops in the front suspension indicate worn bearings, ball joints, or tie rod ends. A vibration when you turn the wheel indicates bad tie rod ends. A click or clang when you apply the brake indicates worn bearings.



13) Any squirm under acceleration indicates worn rear axle components: half shafts, bushings or control arms.



14) A thud, wind-up, or delay when applying the accelerator indicates wear in the driveshaft: either the flex disks or center bearing. These are critical components, a failure will destroy the car.



15) Fuel economy of the 5 cylinder 123 Mercs is about 26mpg (US).For the 4 cylinder, about 30. the turbo cars get about 1mpg better. The SD cars get about 2 mpg less. For the 201 cars, fuel economy will be in the mid to high 30's.
2007-06-15 17:36:14 UTC
Yes!



One---it MUST start up right away. If the engine grinds and grinds, it is worn out. A diesel Benz that is healthy always starts up instantly.



Two-- play with the climate control. Make SURE you have AC and heat and that you can switch back and forth. Common failure, very $$$ to fix



Three--see if the cruise control works (it won't, you need a new amplifier, $100 plus labor).



Four--open air filter, check for lots of oil in there---this means "blow-by" and a worn engine....but it still might be okay to drive...but you'll burn oil and have to add it.



Five--check for sagging rear end (the car, not you). if the back of the car is lower than the front, the hydro-pneumatic compensator is shot. $$$



Six -- do not believe the fuel mileage claims by the seller. They are chronic liars. Figure 21-26 mpg.



Seven -- go to a highway on ramp and try to merge into traffic---if the car is so slow that it scares you, then look for a newer, healthier diesel



Eight-- always buy the TURBO diesel, never the 300D non-turbo. It's a slug.



Good luck....oh, and don't pay some silly price. $2,500--$4,500 should get you a very very nice turbo diesel from the 1980s.
gailforce_wind
2007-06-15 10:04:43 UTC
Excessive engine noise, not the sound of compression (diesel clattering) but mechanical sounds like knocking or ticking. Excessive leaking, motor oil or fuel. No leaks would be best, but a 300TD that's 23+ years old may have some damp spots.



Carefully examine the fuel system.



It should start easily and not smoke. Engine mounts are prone to failure and you will know if they are bad. Other than that, it is a very reliable and durable drive train. Check the fluids as you would any used car, following the steps you'd take for a gasoline powered offering. Good luck.
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2016-11-25 02:48:57 UTC
it is well-known for this diesel the finished motor vehicle will shake at idle and dont difficulty.. the pinging noise is the diesel firing.. bear in mind this motor vehicle would not hearth on spark plugs.. it fires on compression.. that's what ignites the gas.. and whenever you purchase gas that is going to run different.. you ought to use gas oil you comprehend it is diesel extensive type 2.. and interior the wintry climate you upload kerosesne to the diesel to winterize it.. if the tank holds twenty gallon you upload 3 gallon of kerosene. and it will combination with the aid of fact the oil is on a 2 pipe device the oil is allways circulating to the pump and back to the tank.. dont difficulty..
konstipashen
2007-06-15 09:42:22 UTC
A good local mechanic.


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